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Obama's Tuzla moment

by gaf, Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:27:48 PM EST

Obama's very own Tuzla moment via Ace of Spades.

In one of his more egregious and easily demonstrated lies, made even more so by the day he decided to let it loose on, Obama has rewritten WWII history such that the allies liberated Auschwitz.

...Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz...

Of course it goes without saying that the media has thus far failed to call the Messiah on this apparently obviously outrageous lie. Unless Obama's "uncle" was serving in the Red Army, its a pretty safe bet he was many hundreds of miles from Auschwitz on its day of liberation.

Been a fun few days
- He spoke to dead people.
From Talkleft

Here's Barack Obama in New Mexico on Memorial Day, opening his speech with:

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

- Before that, it was the Sunrise/Sunshine thingy - link here

It wasn't clear if Barack Obama knew exactly where he was Friday afternoon when he spoke at his mass rally at the BankAtlantic Center.

He repeatedly used the term "Sunshine" as a place name rather than "Sunrise," the city where the arena is located, including, "How's it going Sunshine? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everybody. It's good to be in Sunshine."

Then there was the Sioux City/Sioux Falls gaffe.
Who can forget the 57 state reference?
Pppy fields & Arabic translator stuff.

UPDATED : Lot more OGaffes documented here - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/what-the-farc-w.html. (thank you to katmandu1 for the link)

One thing he must be asked in the next debate/townhall meeting -
Mr. Obama, can you spell Potato?

Tags: Barack Obama, Obamaism, Gaffe Central (all tags)

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Tip Jar (1.27 / 18)

tips for spelling potato right.

by gaf on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:29:10 PM EST

Re: Tip Jar (1.75 / 8)

no tips for trolls.

Panhandlers are humiliated by your effort.

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:30:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tip Jar (2.00 / 2)

"In World War Two we didn't have the concept of post traumatic stress syndrome. People had to basically handle it on their own," he said. Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: "The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic."

Auschwitz was a huge complex with various satellite camps under the name. Did he specify Auschwitz-Birkenau? Did the US ever send troops to Auschwitz at any point? Or are you ending up looking like the silly, silly rightwing troll you are by rushing in to slam Obama without waiting to see how things turn out?

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:10:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

HERE'S WHAT OBAMA ACTUALLY SAID (2.00 / 1)

rather then a right wing blog's creative interpretation therof.

From the Washington Post

"In World War Two we didn't have the concept of post traumatic stress syndrome. People had to basically handle it on their own," he said. Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: "The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic."

He said his uncle was one of the first US troops to see Auschwitz, he never claimed his uncle was the first through the gate.

Is there nothing these people won't exploit?

by DSloth on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:14:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HERE'S WHAT OBAMA ACTUALLY SAID (none / 0)

What part of liberate don`t you understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mq vA

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:23:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tip Jar (2.00 / 1)

Tips for telling the truth. Obama also falsely claimed 10,000 were killed in the Greensburg Kansas tornado.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tjO8Qc5s1fY&a mp;feature=related

I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.

by KnowVox on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:29:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wonder if Mr. Obama (none / 0)

knows how to help you put food on your family, too? It might really help him out in the GE, if he does.

by georgiapeach on Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:10:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Unless he said HE liberated (2.00 / 9)

Auschwitz it's not a Tuzla moment.

It's so funny to see people try to draw comparisons to Clinton but only negative ones.

Basically your only argument is that Obama is not better than Clinton. Well if you have to say that then he is.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:29:14 PM EST

Pathetic (1.43 / 16)

Pathetic, desperate, anti-Democratic PArty.

Get the F##K out of here ass clown troll.

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:29:50 PM EST

Re: Pathetic (1.83 / 6)

For all the people who troll-rated this comment, do you even realize Ace of Spades is a wingnut blog?

Or do you just not give a damn because it attacked that awful, terrible, just-plain-mean Obama?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:58:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pathetic (1.40 / 5)

Thank you, seems that MYDD.com is becoming a haven for republicans.

Who else would attack the Democratic party?

Again Gaf, architek, yellowdog dem and his bushdog democratic buddies, please leave the progressive blogosphere.

I know your party was to old, ignorant, and just to sleezy to figure out the internet.

Now Progressives run the show, we have the biggest blogs (dkos, mydd, etc et), newsportals (Huffington, Salon) and fundraising (Obama, actblue.com)

It's sad we are outvoting, outraising, outwitting the Republicans.

I feel bad for them that America is rejecting them wholesale.

But I dont feel so bad as I will welcome these bottom feeding republicans on our sites that we worked so hard to build up.

one more time to all the RNC knuckledraggers who just learned to use the internet last week,

get the FUUUUUUUUUUUU*K out of here!

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:04:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pathetic (2.00 / 1)

architek's not a GOP troll. He's a genuine Clinton supporters who strongly dislikes Obama's healthcare plan. But as for the others you mention, if the label fits...

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:15:47 PM EST
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Re: Pathetic (2.00 / 1)

He may not be a GOP troll, but he is certainly a troll. I can only think of one other organization that engages in such deliberate misinformation, but I won't mention them here for fear of losing my privileges. You can't criticize some people around here too much.

Yes. We. Did.

by pneuma on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:51:25 PM EST
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Re: Pathetic (none / 0)

Education time.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?Mod uleId=10005131

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:10:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (2.00 / 4)

The Hillbot assimilation into the wingnut blog borg is complete.

by JJE on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:32:11 PM EST

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (1.00 / 5)

The liberal blogs have mostly drunk the kool-aid. This won't get any coverage in any of them.

by gaf on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:41:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

probably because it's a stupid non-issue (1.83 / 6)

and nobody cares about it but dead-enders looking for garbage to fling.

congratulations on being the one-billionth person to trot out the kool-aid cliche.

by JJE on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:44:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (1.80 / 5)

yeah...the Democratic Party kook-aid. you should try it.

BTW: (via Carpetbagger)

* The Clinton campaign has repeatedly argued that Bill Clinton didn't win the Democratic nomination in 1992 until June. The NYT fact-checks the claim and finds that it's rather misleading. (Even the former president's own autobiography explained that he locked down the nomination in early April.)

by JoeCoaster on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:47:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (2.00 / 1)

Since Obama's misstatement about Sunrise is a gaffe, we need to call you on yours as well. It was not Kool-Aid that was used to deliver the poison at the Jonestown massacre, it was Flavor Aid. And even mentioning that event in such a cavalier, flippant way is highly offensive.

It's offensive to anyone who knows someone who died at that massacre. And it's offensive to Obama supporters. Let's rephrase it and see if you would still like to use it.

"All those Obama supporters have been tricked into drinking poison."

My guess is you still like it.

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:03:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

its offensive to anyone who is offended by everything that doesn't fit into their narrow view of the world.

What ever happened to the 1st amendment.

We have a right to be offensive, and often a duty.

People deal with tragedy through humor.

Remember the NASA jokes?

30+ years ago, most sane people have healed.

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:12:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

Ok, since you seem to misunderstand the 1st Ammendment, let me explain it for you. The 1st Ammendment only makes it illegal for you to be arrested or imprisoned for what you say (with some exceptions). It does not stop me from calling people on their bullshit, including you.

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:19:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

Bullshit that some people are overly sensitive. Please, you are telling they aren't? Seriously, half of the diaries on this site are people being bent our of shape over some perceived injustice.

As long as everything we say can be seen as offensive, when all most people are trying to do is use a metaphor, then the world will become a very boring place.

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:22:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

I guess it depends on the "offense" taken. If you think it is silly for Obama supporters to be absolutely up in arms over Hillary's RFK statement, that's where you and I part ways. If you think finger-gate was the most ridiculous thing to ever appear on a liberal blog, we agree with that.

I understand some of the anger about bittergate, even though I actually agree with some of his words. Except I think people cling to religion for reasons that have more to do with fear and less to do with the economy.

Some offense is real (bittergate, Rev. Wright, RFK-gate, Obama's "fairy tale") and some is stupid (sweetiegate, Hillary's story of the pregnant woman, the flag pin dustup, etc.).

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:26:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

Ah, sorry for the harsh response if you didn't mean it that way. I thought you were another Hillary supporter who thinks the 1st Amendment somehow denies the DNC the ability to decide that the race is over. The 1st Amendment only protects us from being arrested, and even then with exceptions. I get fired up when people misinterpret it. Sorry if we are on the same side, I'm in full attack mode since the RFK statement.

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:21:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

no problem...

I don't mind a little fire. Just as long as people can give as well as take!

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:24:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Citing Ace of Spades now are we? (none / 0)

Ha, well I am wrong more than most people on this site, so I'm fine with it. In fact, since I don't think any of the posters on this site are going to be changing their minds about whether or not they are voting for McCain over Obama, I don't think there is much harm to some belligerence.

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:27:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Since drinking the kool aid (1.00 / 1)

was a method to mass suicide, and only Hillary seems interested in killing off the party right now, who's doing the drinking?

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:40:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since drinking the kool aid (none / 0)

this is troll rated why? Its a response to a probable troll. Should you be troll rated for feeding the troll?

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:09:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since drinking the kool aid (none / 0)

Actually, "drinking the kool aid" is not from Jonestown, but from Tom Wolfe's "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test." It has morphed into Jonestown quite recently just so people like you can mis-use it to guilt people into shutting up.

by dhonig on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:05:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since drinking the kool aid (none / 0)

i wasn't guilting anyone...just using it as it has become known to non-boomers.

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:10:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since drinking the kool aid (none / 0)

Oh hogwash. It is not "known to non-boomers." It is incorrectly used. If it were merely a matter of ignorance, like the way people say "I could care less," I would let it roll off. But it is used offensively, to shut people up. For that, correction is appropriate. The appropriate response, by the way, is not "that's how we know it," but "oh heck, I didn't know that, I'll stop sounding stupid now."

by dhonig on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:53:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's funny (2.00 / 7)

When Obama screws up, it's mostly for getting his facts mixed up about oral-culture family stuff or just from being tired or frazzled and getting the words slightly wrong.

When McCain screws up, it's usually on miniscule stuff like Al-Qaida getting training and weapons from Shiites in Iran or not checking on the anti-semetism of his pastor endorsements or saying that veterans need six years of active duty to recieve full scholarships.

I know which I'd rather have as president.

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:40:31 PM EST

Re: It's funny (1.75 / 4)

It`s not a screw up. It`s a lie and you just can`t admit it.

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:55:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's funny (1.33 / 3)

Then by that metric, you have to say that Hillary's statement about the pregnant woman "dying" because of a lack of health insurance is a lie and not just a screw up.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I give her the benefit of the doubt on that story. I think her campaign just took the family's word as true, when it wasn't. That's not a lie in my book, it's just a mistake or an error.

Tuzla was either an outright lie/fish story, or Hillary really does not remember what the event was like. Neither makes me not want to vote for her over McCain given the choice, but it's not good.

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:05:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

By her own words (none / 0)

in the last debate, she said she "said something she knew not to be true." Is that legalize for a misstatement or a lie?

by IowaMike on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:48:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: By her own words (none / 0)

I don't know...maybe somewhere in between. A big fish story, perhaps? I do that all the time, consciously sometimes, unconsciously others, so I am not about to castigate anyone else for it.

by ProgressiveDL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:22:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What would he have to gain by that? (none / 0)

Seriously, what would Obama have to gain by relaying an easily-disprovable story about his family history?

Obama knows that people have WWII reference books and there are people factchecking everything that the candidates do or say... why would he make the same mistake that sporked Clinton for a couple weeks?

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:05:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

omg how embarassing (2.00 / 2)

Is he making this up about his uncle? Why haven't we seen this before? Where is it on his website? Is this the first time we've heard of it?

Supers: are you paying attention? This is the last thing the democrats need is to be ridiculed because the candidate doesn't know his history or geography.

This seems a rather desperate move to shore up his "patriotism" credentials since the flag pin won't do, and since he is running against someone who actually fought in a war.

by 4justice on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:40:57 PM EST

what if the candidate (2.00 / 1)

doesn't understand the difference between a parliamentary and a presidential election. OMG how embarrassing!! SUPERS ARE YOU LISTENING??!!?

by JJE on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:47:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: omg how embarassing (2.00 / 1)

Are you suggesting that Patton's army didn't help liberate Auschwitz?

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:03:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

actually, this line was very funny, in a sick way (envisioning corpses at the rally):

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

by colebiancardi on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:41:36 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 2)

Yes, or perhaps it was a speech on Memorial Day.

Stupid latte-drinking flag pin not-wearing unpatriotic no-hand-on-the-heart liberal.

Ok, that's enough Republican speak for one DECADE. Is it out of your system?

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:43:02 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 7)

Wow Obama is so bad now, that he is compared to HRC. Wow. that is some amazing achievement.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:45:13 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

Now, THAT is snark!

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Ernst on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:58:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

WillObamaBeWired (1.00 / 4)

I think very soon Axelrod will start wiring Obama, like Bush used to be.

http://www.slate.com/id/2108354/

by gaf on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:45:49 PM EST

Re: WillObamaBeWired (1.50 / 4)

hahaha Axelrod already has restricted reporters' access and started invitation only events.

Jake Tapper had a list of gaffes also: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/what-the-farc-w.html

by katmandu1 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:51:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Will update (2.00 / 1)

Will update the diary with this link.

by gaf on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:57:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Will update (none / 0)

More republican propaganda?

Yawn,

tired of republicans too lazy to blog on their own failing blogs

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:05:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tapper... (none / 0)

The guy is a soulless hack who has it in for Obama. ABC is the new FOX.

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:07:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tapper... (none / 0)

Tapper is an embarrassment to journalists everywhere.

Fox news needs to smarten up and hire this guy! He's perfect for them.

Good looking with that "deer caught in headlights" face.

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:10:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

"The liberal blogs have mostly drunk the kool-aid. This won't get any coverage in any of them"

This is a liberal blog..ya know..
So go jump up and down at Red State etc....

as for
"Hillbot assimilation into the wingnut blog borg is complete."
This is a poor response to a troll diary..
The writer of this diary is not a Clinton supporter.

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:48:17 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

This seems like an odd diary for this site, but whatever.

Anyway, I've seen this "Tuzla" moment giddily being bandied about on wing-nut blogs, but I haven't seen anyone actually cite a source other than the CBS reporter who makes the claim that BHO talked about this uncle. That is, I haven't seen any footage or read any transcripts that support it. That seems odd.

by NeverNude on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:49:14 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

I've been trying to find video/audio for it. Here's the speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8YaR3JE kE

Not a mention of it in there.

What gives?

by briefer on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:39:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

Yeah, I posted elsewhere that I watched the speech and heard no mention of it.

But the report has lengthy quotes that aren't in the speech, so either she botched her notes, or is quoting from remarks he made before or after the speech.

by NeverNude on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:56:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wouldn't be the first time Republicans made up (none / 0)

words to put in people's mouths.

by Wee Mama on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:24:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Anti-Democratic (2.00 / 3)

This is a Democratic blog.

by aIegre on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:49:53 PM EST

Re: Anti-Democratic (2.00 / 1)

It is, Republicans get to hang out here.

They are not alowed as interpreted by the rules, but now they are trying to change that.

Jerome, is it ok to hide rate all republicans on this site?

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:59:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Take a Look at Obamacrit's Position On Chavez (1.00 / 1)

With one group he says he will talk to Chavez.
When speaking to Cuban Americans he says we must isolate those that help the FARC.
So which is it Obamacrit?
Also he claimed that the Bush war has allowed Chavez to attain power due to the vacuum created. Trouble is Chavez took power in 1998, 2 years before Bush was elected.
No offense but he doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

by hypopg on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:54:39 PM EST

GOP Shills (2.00 / 2)

Who needs the 527's? John McCain's staffers can just come to MyDD for their talking points.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:56:52 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

Recommended for pointing out the hypocrisy in the weekend-long campaign to tarnish a Democratic Senator, Hillary Clinton.

Seriously, the prince of gaffes himself had the audacity to "tip" the media on Hillary's RFK reference, have Barack issue a public statement defending Hillary for the raucus his campaign created, and then immediately turned around and sent KO's faux-outrage transcript to all of the news circuits. What the hell kind of behavior is that?

"Shame on you, Barack Obama." -HRC, Ohio

Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.

by BPK80 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:04:37 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

My third favorite Republican on this site!

http://www.truepat.org/

by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:07:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

Who?

Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.

by BPK80 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:10:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

He's comment on your trollish behavior- by failing to recognize, again, that this guy is a Republican, running a right-wing site, here to stir up trouble. You have a had habit of rushing in to pile on Obama, only for us to point out it was a troll- which I've never seen you acknowledge and/or apologize for.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:47:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

LOL

You will seriously exploit any opportunity you can to criticize me.

"I'm sorry for feeding the troll."

Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.

by BPK80 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:24:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 2)

OK, I actually took the time to watch the speech (something I'm sure neither the diarist or the wing-nutter he cut and pasted from did), and besides being thoughtful and moving, it mentioned only his grandparents, and not his uncle (I suppose it's possible I somehow missed it, but...).

I think the CBS journalist slipped here.

by NeverNude on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:04:40 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 2)

What a shitty diary. Why are you even reading Ace of Spades? (Oh, don't bother answering...we already know why.)

It's funny that the diarist and his wingnut friends couldn't be bothered to actually, y'know, investigate what Obama said before they rushed out with the usual "Obama is teh stoopid!" shtick. Seriously, what respectable blogger actually tries to catch someone in a lie/misstatement/gaffe with just their own guesswork?:

"Unless Obama's "uncle" was serving in the Red Army, its a pretty safe bet he was many hundreds of miles from Auschwitz on its day of liberation.

Isn't it possible that the brigade itself had a hand in liberating Auschwitz even if the uncle wasn't part of it at the time? Or that the uncle told him this was a true story if it wasn't? Or that the uncle or Obama confused Auschwitz with another death camp?

You know nothing other than one sentence in once speech, yet you breathlessly report what you just read on a wingnut site like some dim-witted dog happily bringing home roadkill because he thinks it'll please his master.

I know you're not a Clinton supporter, so I won't smear them by association with you. But you are truly craven and sad if you think this is some kind of defining moment. Maybe you should see if LGF is peddling anything juicier.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:11:42 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

heh...or as NeverNude said above, that it've been a simple misquote. Nahhhh, couldn't be...

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:13:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

By the way... (none / 0)

It's only a Tuzla moment if you say it 4 times.

I really wanted to refrain from mudslinging, but since most of you can't rise above the level of discourse that is reserved for Fox News analysts and 12 year olds, I say bring it on.

There are many more skeletons in Hillary's closet, than there is in Barack's.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:16:28 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 2)

I really hate seeing right wing blogs used as legitimate news sources here. The guy has nothing good to say about any Democrat, yet we're supposed to read his tripe because he doesn't like Obama. That's a huge surprise there.

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:16:35 PM EST

Welcome, McBlogger! (2.00 / 2)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:30:04 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (none / 0)

LOL ... he really is becoming quite embarrassing.

by LindaSFNM on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:33:32 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

Diarist is a troll. IP/posting history checks at to be an alt for our darling Wingut troller. But good job catching onto that fact, you sure didn't make yourself look foolish in the process.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:50:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 1)

Ace of fucking Spades? There's no reason for anything that cites Ace of Spades to be on the rec list unless it's mocking him.

Stop the racism. Fight the smears.

by CrazyDrumGuy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:34:15 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 2)

Who cares if he did or didn't make a slip? He is probably tired and people aren't perfect. I don't think people should be jumping on this kind of stuff from either candidate. It's super lame and irrelevant to the process. McCain not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shia.. now that is pretty significant.

by JustJennifer on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:43:31 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (1.50 / 2)

What the fuck are you doing??? Obama is our NOMINEE. Cut the crap or go join RedState.

"Not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who's embarrassingly superior to me." -- Jon Stewart, 4/15/08

by JulieinVT on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:56:55 PM EST

Troll (2.00 / 1)

Go away

by Slim Tyranny on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:25:10 PM EST

Re: Obama's Tuzla moment (2.00 / 2)

come on, it's funny. His gramps probably told him what he'd done in the war and sort of exaggerated his experience, probably runs in the family. This doesn't make me like Obama less, Sunshine is a better name, he was trying to help them rename it to something better? This stuff is silly, and kinda cute.

Look, the one and only thing I hold against Barack is the way he's been conducting his campaign. when his campaign sent out that smeary KO creed against Hillary to every member of the press, that settled the matter for me. He's not just a politician, he actually believes the filth he says, he thinks she can't be trusted, and she'd do anything, even the most disgusting thing imaginable, and a lot of his supporters have been inspired to agree and to hate her. Yesterday one of his supporters pointed out to me that he runs like a pug, he learned from rove, so he attacks strength, he's going after McCain's war record in saying the fellow doesn't care about vet benefits.

He went after Hillary's experience, a strength, and her steady hand and her honesty, all strengths, and her gender, more strengths. That's what I don't like, I don't care about McCain although I don't think it'll work against him and will backfire, I care about smearing a fellow Democrat in the most offensive of ways, You can't run against your own party, those half of us who want her don't like him anymore. Which is maybe why no one attacks his judgment, cause it isn't a strength? Go figure.

what a relief

by anna shane on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:51:41 PM EST

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